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Book Tagged…

Stuart has tagged me on a book list so here goes…

1. One book that changed your life.

21ZTQXAAZTL._AA_SL160_ Apart from the Bible, Lucado’s book, "In The Grip Of Grace" was liberating for me.  Raised in an extremely legalistic denomination left me with major scars.  Lucado’s book helped me move on from seeing God as a tyrant to a loving Father. Highly recommend it for anyone trying too hard to please God instead of resting in Him.

 

2.  One book you’ve read more than once.

21H1QHV5BPL._AA_SL160_Like movies, I rarely read a book twice.  This one however captivated me.  George Otis spent 30 years travelling the world to get a deeper understanding of why "why does spiritual darkness linger were it does?" Exit our Western mindset of rationality and enter the bizarre world  of the occult and how it is submissive to Jesus.  You will read amazing stories in this book.

 

3. One book you’d want on a desert island.

11vNmqnTGuL._AA_SL160_Not trying to be "holier than thou" but seriously, a desert island doesn’t sound like a place where I’d survive for long.  So why not spend the rest of my life getting ready for the next one?   Makes sense to me!

 

 

 

4. Two books that made you laugh.

21Km7xCGDyL._AA_SL160_You all know that Driscoll is my favourite Preacher. One of the reasons is that the guy is an absolute crack up.  His sermons make me look like an idiot as I burst into laughter listening to my iPod while waiting at traffic lights.  And his book is no different.  Here he outlines his story of Mars Hill Church.

 

 

21XFAJD7SNL._AA_SL160_Victor Schlatter was a Nuclear Scientist and left everything to plant over 100 churches in Papua New Guinea.  An old Jewish looking kind of guy, this American now resides in Australia and heads up SPIM - South Pacific Island Ministries.  He lobby’s the governments of the Islands to stand up for Israel in the UN amongst other things.  A life long friend, his humour, wit and sarcasm shine in this book.

 

5. One book that made you cry.

219230NQQGL._AA_SL160_Anderson’s books are all about freedom in Christ.  Freedom from all the crap piled up in your life and the power to move forward despite your circumstances.  As I read this book, there were many times where I just broke down in tears at my circumstances. Good tears though because it was a Godly sorrow.  This book just might make it into the "read more than once" section.

6. One book that you wish had been written.

"LayGuy’s Transformation: From Sinner To Saint."  Yeah that would do it for me.  Not that I would be famous or anything.  But that my sanctification would be a lot more done then it is right now.

7. One book that you wish had never been written.

31EYM0N5H2L._AA_SL160_The Koran.  Yeah I know a little controversial but nevertheless it’s how I feel.  I know there are many things done in the "name of Christianity" that are down right dumb, but at least Christianity teaches a salvation that comes from faith.  The Koran teaches works and in a fallen and fanatical world, the works many of these people do are more down right "dumber."  A honest look at the worlds trouble spots and you will find Islam there.

 

8. One book that you’re currently reading.

21dsGN-X5nL._AA_SL160_Actually I have two.  I’m just about to finish Groeschel’s pre-marital book he was kind enough to send me if I blogged about it.  My next post will review this book as requested.  In a nut shell, it’s easy to see why Groeschel pastors one on the most amazing churches in the world, he is a talented and disciplined guy and his book is ful
l of wisdom and guidelines on how to mak
e your relationship solid.

 

01F18RT9J3L._AA_SL160_I’ve just started to read my second McManus book and find him profound.  He is a talented story teller and reading his books makes you search deep within.  McManus has the gift of helping you forget your circumstances and invites you to journey with him.  Every time I read his material, as I look up from my book, I am staggered as to how immersed I get into his writing and the thoughts he generates.  Highly recommended.

 

9.  One book you’ve been meaning to read.

Listening To The Beliefs OF Emerging Churches I’m fascinated by the state of the Church in the US - and note for all the right reasons.  Emerging Churches.  There is a lot of good and a lot of not so good things happening.  From the reviews of others, I know I will be in the Driscoll, Burke and Kimball side of this debate.  Padgitt and Ward are a little too bizarre for my liking.  Looking forward to dusting the cover to my copy and getting into the minds of these 5 authors.

 

10. Now tag 5 people.

Ok now it’s your turn.

Zabs, PoopElmo, Heather, and lets see if I can get some big wigs…. TSK and Kimball. Well it’s worth a try anyway…

 

Driscoll & The Wink Club

Back in September, Mark Driscoll, Pastor of Mars Hill Church, shared a message at the Convergent Conference at the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

In it, he targeted the views of Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt and Rob Bell. While I have very little respect for McLaren and Pagitt, Rob Bell I don’t know too much of and haven’t made up my mind on yet.

But what bugs me most about this Emergent crowd is the constant need to question everything. For example, Rob Bell, in his book “Velvet Elvis: Repainting The Christian Faith,” he writes:

“What if tomorrow someone digs up definitive proof that Jesus had a real, earthly, biological father named Larry, and archaeologists find Larry’s tomb and do DNA samples and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the virgin birth was really just a bit of mythologizing the Gospel writers threw in to appeal to the followers of the Mithra and Dionysian religious cults that were hugely popular at the time of Jesus, whose gods had virgin births? But what if as you study the origin of the word virgin, you discover that the word virgin in the gospel of Matthew actually comes from the book of Isaiah, and then you find out that in the Hebrew language at that time, the word virgin could mean several things. And what if you discover that in the first century being “born of a virgin” also referred to a child whose mother became pregnant the first time she had intercourse?”

This is a disturbing view in my mind and totally contradicts scripture as early as Genesis 3 where God talks about the “seed of the woman” - way before any Mithra’s or Dionysian cults ever existed. Any serious Bible student would know that God is alluding to a mysterious event here as genealogies in Scripture are usually discussed along male lines and not female.

Furthermore, Bell seems to belittle the Isaiah 7 passage regarding the virgin birth in his attempt to address this issue and ultimately pokes a finger in the face of the Gospel account. To me, the pursuit to reach the unchurched is not worth it is you trash scripture. After all, even God exalts His Word - even more then His Name.

But out of the three Driscoll targets, Bell is the least of my concerns. It’s McLaren and Pagitt who concern me in their views and activism within Christianity today. Form your own opinion of what Driscoll says. Here is the iTunes podcast link for the conference and have a listen to what Driscoll has to say.

2 Well it seems as if the Emergent movement has had it’s feathers ruffled as a result of this and a series of bloggers have formed a “wink club.” Fuelled by people like Adam Walker from pomomusings.com, this group of bloggers are posting a series of “wink” posts at Driscoll to show their dissatisfaction at Driscoll for what he shared at the above mentioned conference.

OK, now here’s my rant. This wink club - take it’s collective ability and impact and it doesn’t register a blimp on the radar of influence or impact in changing lives. This group of “bloggers” are emergent friendly and tend to pledge their allegiance to McLaren et al and their rebellious questioning of everything done in the name of Christianity.

Sure, there are heaps of stupid things done in the name of Christianity and the modern church needs to change in order to address this. But to question scripture and to modernise it in a way to embrace all kinds of whacked out ideas makes this group akin to the mindset of the people from the ‘Jesus Seminar” where the Gospel is assessed according to modern ideas as to what Jesus actually said and done based on a humanistic and carnal attitude.

The net effect of this this movement is to assess the life of Christ and to categorise the probability of the events actually happening to red, pink, grey or black “beads” of probability of these events actually happening.

The result of this is that the vast majority of the life and teachings of Christ are ultimately questioned instead of believed. Bell’s quote above is an example of the same attitude within the emergent movement.

Driscoll on the other hand has distanced himself from this movement. Initially a part of the movement, he tore away from it alarmed at where this group was heading. He now pastors a 6000 plus church and is among the fastest growing and most influential churches in the USA.

Among the reasons for this is that Driscoll holds Scripture in high regard. He often gets slammed for his stance of “God says it, we need to obey.” Apparently, those in the emergent movement forget the words uttered by Paul:

“We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,” 2 Cor 10:5

So to the winkers I say;

I know much of what WE as the church represent is questionable to an unbelieving world and I know that we have been a bad example.

But in our attempt to converse with them, we need not attack those who hold on to scripture in high regard for even our God places His Word higher then even His Name.

For example, Adam at pomomusings lists a bunch of “ridiculous” snippets from Driscoll’s message and one of them is:

“If Rabbis don’t love Jesus, they have a bad hermeneutic.”

Well Adam, you are a student of scripture and you should take note of the following passage where Jesus says:

“You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.” John 5:39-40

So if a Rabbi does not love Jesus, he indeed does have a bad hermeneutic. You bring that up with Jesus if you have a problem with that - not Driscoll.

You winkers amount to pretty much nothing in the grand scheme of things and have very little impact on spreading the Gospel. Driscoll does. So get over it.

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