Thanks for your comments. But I’m not going to debate this with you further. When we stand before God, I would much rather let Christ’s righteousness cover me instead of relying on my own.

I do my best to not sin. But I would never say that I don’t ever sin. I would be a self righteous fool to say that. And my final words to you come from 1 John 1:8 - 1 John 2:2:

“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”

I’m human - saved by Grace and being regenerated day by day. I still fall many times and take great comfort that I have an Advocate pleading my case and in the end, His righteousness will be gifted to me.

Good bye Michael.

Everyone starts out sinning rom 3;23…
since your still sinning your not Born again and have a soul that is death ( means your going to hell ) unless you repent and be converted..Jesus said Go and sin NO more…

James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

sinning Christians cannot see the kingdom of God or enter in. .you must be born again…John 3;3-7

your not born of the word when you keep sinning,, but rather a false corrupt teaching that denys the power of God
Matt 22;29-
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

So as a teacher who claims to make sermons your fruit is bad…Jesus warns about these wolves who keep people sinning..

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Your statements : (stumbling into sin.) (BUT at the same time, if/when we fall into sin)
These statements are proof you don’t know the power of Jesus,,, Heb 4;12
You need to stop sinning and get knowledge…instead of teaching sinning is unavoidable..
1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

People who stumble are disobedient to the Word and will Go to Hell,, unless they repent And overcome and walk in obedience they stumble at the word,,1 peter 2;8

Sinning Christians fall because they remain under the power of satan..they also never recieve forgiveness,, they are hypocrites.
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

They end up tares in Hell,,with the devil…
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

You as a teacher making statements that say Christians will or keep falling is promoting Satan’s agenda
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

When scripture warns against falling and gives promises that real Christians wont Fall..

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Born again people overcome sinning and don’t fall.. if people do they are in trouble and have not yet been born again.they must repent.

Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

How do they keep from falling? They have the power of Jesus…
this power comes by His grace not Law keeping,, the Law is for sinners..1 tim 1;9,,,,

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

From your statements I hear you still commit sinning.. Scripture say you are of the devil
And Jesus has not yet manifested in your flesh and destroyed the works of the devil

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

From your statements as a teacher it seems you say you abide in Jesus and still keep sinning,,, scripture says you don’t know Jesus…
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

michael

Listen to the sermon I shared on this topic here:

http://citywestchurch.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=59

Scroll down to week 8 and hear where I am coming from.

Don’t come across so self righteous man. Take a chill pill and understand that sinning is wrong. BUT at the same time, if/when we fall into sin, we have the ultimate High Priest pleading our case.

Does that mean we abide in sin? No way! And that’s what these guys were trying to get across to you when they say that Christians still sin. If we didn’t, I don’t think Christ would have any need to be our High Priest.

Thanks for stopping by and for your message. Although I must disagree with you completely. Their “methods” of their ministry go a long way to attract those addicted to porn and those working in the porn industry to visit their website where they get a tonne of material to help them get over their addiction of they want to. It is a site about the topic of porn. And it is a Christian website - so ther is nothing wrong about labeling the number 1 Christian porn website.

Their ministry is all about repenting - this you would see if you bothered to take the time to check things out instead of looking quickly, freaking out, reaching for your bible and finding some scripture to justify your position and then sitting behind it to make yourself look all holy.

and trashing Jesus..whats next? Jesus is gay? to draw gays?………………

Jesus is the King of porn? …driving around in SUV with XXX church / No 1 Christian Porn site all over it is dragging Jesus into the gutter,, you people dont Love Jesus “YOU hate Jesus and His real Church.”,,,,,,

we are not on the same team I dont team up with the devil…………

repent!……………..

born again Christians overcome sinning

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

I am born again and abide in Jesus…..

michael